Frequently asked Questions and Answers
Q. How large do your Dashing Bondhu Llewellin Setter's get?
A. There are exceptions, but most of our males mature around 45-50 pounds, while our females mature around 35-45 pounds when they are mature, but we do sometimes get pups that will be a 5 pounds smaller and 5 pounds larger and they will be marked in their description.
Q. How long is their life span?
A. Most of our Llewellin Setters live to 14-16 years with proper care and nutrition, but many have lived to 19-20 years.
Q. Do your pups really make wonderful house dogs, even in an non-hunting home.
A. Our Dashing Bondhu Llewellin Setters have been bred as gentleman's dogs for over 150 years, making them an excellent choice for a family companion, they are loyal, loving, and obedient pets and have a strong willingness to please. Many of our customers have ask us how we house trained their pups at only 6-8 weeks of age, because they never mad a mistake. The truth is, we don't, they are just born with a lot of sense and are naturally clean animals and don't want to mess in their homes. They also have a very strong instinct to please their owner's, making them easy to train for just about anything that is canine possible. Though they are natural bird dog's, they don't know they are suppose to be bird dogs and are perfectly happy in a non hunting home, pleasing their owner's daily. This is why we don't limit our puppy sales to hunting homes only and feel it very important to us that they remain sensible and well behaved family house dogs that will also make outstanding natural bird dogs. They should NEVER be bred to just be bird dogs, or hyper Field Trail dogs. We feel big running field trials have ruined many hunting breeds, resulting in an independent, hyper, uncontrollable type of dogs, that require shock and tracking collars to train and hunt.
Q. Do these Setter retrieve waterfowl and doves.
A. Yes, they take to water very well and instinctively swim very well. All those we have tried on waterfowl and wing shooting doves and pigeons have done amazingly well. We do recommend if you want to hunt them on upland birds, to first train them well on locating, pointing, and retrieving birds before using them to retrieve waterfowl, dove, etc..
Q. Why is it that you specialize in only the pure Dashing Bondhu strain of Llewellin Setters when most other kennel's are crossing many strains?
A. Each strain has been bred for different qualities, so when mixing the strains, you will have no idea which qualities the pups will have. Also, some strains have genetic inherited faults that will be carried recessively and will stay hidden by out crossing, by breeding within one strain, the recessives would surfaced and have been removed from a bloodline long ago. This assures us that our pups are genetically sound and uniformed litter after litter. Example: if I was to put all quarters in a jar and reached in the jar, I could only pull out only quarters no matter how many times I reach in the jar, but if I added some pennies and dimes, I could then pull out some pennies, some dimes, and/or some quarters. Sometimes I would grab more dimes, or more pennies or more quarters and sometime I would be missing some of each. By keeping the line separate and pure, we know exactly what to expect when we make a breeding time and time again and will get the same results time and time again. If the line is genetically clean of any problems, then as long as we keep them pure they will continue to produce the same quality pups over and over, each generation. The pure Dashing Bondhu pups are like clones over 99% of the time and is how and why we have a Life-Time Satisfaction Guarantee!
Q. Is there any differences between the 100% pure Humphrey bred pups and the 90+/-% Humphrey bred pups with Fr. Brannon bloodline.
A. Generally, no noticeable differences, but it's my opinion that the odds of getting a "one in a life-time bird dog and family companion" are slightly higher in the 100% pure Humphrey pups. There simply has never been a better strain or breed of bird dog and family companion then the 100% pure Humphrey bred Dashing Bondhu Llewellin Setters. That being said, Fr. Brannon was very close friends of the Humphrey's and the two kennels were intertwined up until Humphrey's passing. Fr. Brannon kept his Dashing Bondhu bloodlines pure for 30 more years. Basically, we have Fr. Brannon's bloodlines in all our Setters with H/F GDC Henry PrinceOf Pause (aka OLN's Hank of "Hunting with Hank"), because his sire H/F IrishKing Bondhu Ashly was 50% Fr. Brannon's and 50% Humphrey and was bred to a 100% Humphrey female, resulting in Hank being 75% Humphrey and 25% Fr. Brannon. Hank is the main reason we have Fr. Brannon bloodlines in our Setter. So if you want Hank in your pups pedigree, they cannot be 100% Humphrey.
Q. What is the differences between the "American Llewellin Setters", the "English Llewellin Setters", the "Irish Llewellin Setters, and the "Russian Llewellin Setters"?
A. The American Llewellin's were developed by early American field trialer's here in America from late 1800's and early 1900 imports. Some, but not all came from Sir. Llewellin's early test breedings. Many of their lines were not kept by Llewellin and were not used in the development of his personal (Dashing Bondhu's) strain. Sir Llewellin stated that his first test breeding were outstanding some days and he wanted to shoot them on some days. The consistency was not experienced until he purchased undefeated FdCh Ch Armstrong's Dash II and bred him to his Laverack Field Champions and Champions. When he crossed Dash II with Countess Bear, they produced his first undefeated Setter FdCh Ch Dashing Bondhu, the beginning of the pure Dashing Bondhu bloodline.
The English and Irish Llewellin's lines we have are from Sir Llewellin's personal strain that he himself spent over 50 years developing and named them his Dashing Bondhu's. These were from Llewellin's best and remaining Dashing Bondhu's and were inherited by Mr. Humphrey (England) in 1925 and bred by them for another 38 years making 41 Field Champions in the process. These were imported to America in the 1960's. The Dashing Bondhu's were also shared with Humphrey's close friend, Fr. James Brannon (Ireland), who bred them there for 30 more years until 1984. They were imported to America in the late 1980's.
Like the American Llewellin's, the Russian Llewellin's were also developed from early imports from Mr. Llewellin and the Russian Llewellin's were not imported to America until the mid-1990's after the cold war ended. The Russian Llewellin's were very strictly bred, but were bred for modern shows, making them much larger, heavier bodied with heavy long coats, like the US Show Setters, but unlike the US show setters, the Russian Llewellins still maintain strong pointing and retrieving instincts and had to win both shows and field events to be used for breeding. Unfortunately, their larger size, heavier coats, and low carriage, made them low on stamina and speed.
Q. I noticed that you are not OFA or CERF Hip Certifying your dogs. Why is that?
A. Kennels who need to hip certify their dogs, do so because they know their line has produced hip problems in the past. In over 18 years of breeding our pure Dashing Bondhu strain of Llewellin Setters, the many that were tested years ago did not test positive and ours have not produced one single pup with a genetic hip problem. So it is a waste of funds and time to check a genetically proven clean bloodline for something that is not there.
BTW, many kennels try to use OFA certification as a way to sell their pups, but we feel it is much better to purchase a pup from a kennel without any hip or genetic health problems, then to purchase a pup from a kennel that needs to continually be checking their bloodlines for the problem. The truth is, even when both parents are checked and certified, it does not mean they are not carriers recessively and will not produce the problem in their pups they sell. Also, many of these kennels use the fact they OFA checked their dogs so they will not have to take responsibility after the sale for pups that do have hip and other genetic problems, because they use testing as an excuse why they should not be held responsible. The fact is OFA certification has been around for over 40 years, yet the genetic problems are increasing in the breeds and are even becoming a plaque in some, that were unheard in some breeds years ago when line breeding was more common. Line breeding of genetically clan bloodlines cannot get them unless someone out-cross them on a line with them.
Q. Just in case, what kind of guarantee do you have for birth defects or genetic problems if it ever did arise?
A. 100% Satisfaction Replacement Guarantee on EVERY pup we sell. The only health issues that are not guaranteed, are those caused by injury or abuse done after the sale. Keep in mind, we maintain a 99% satisfaction record and if the defect was serious enough to effect them physically as hunters, we would not ask them to be returned and would just give you another pup of equal value. We basically, only ask pups not hunting for the customers to be returned, because 75% of the 1% have been easily trained and re-homed as started dogs. I guess the less than 1% pups and owners just don't match up well with each other, but those who don't have been very pleased with their replacement.
Q. How do your Setter's handle the heat of the deep south.
A. This was the first question I asked. Their coats are not as heavy as people think and the dogs acclimated to the south don't get as thick a coat. Also, their coats actually work as an insulator from the heat. All I know is ours have always handled the heat better than any other breed of dog we have owned including top German Shorthair and English pointers. We have not received one complaint about handling the heat from a single customer and have placed pups in south Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, New Mexico, Utah, and in southern California. They also handle the cold as far north better than any dog we have seen, in Alaska, Maine, upstate New York, Minnesota, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Washington state, Oregon, Canada, Russia and many other places around the world.
Q. How do you handle hunting your Setters in briars, thickets, thistle, etc..
A. Surprisingly, their silky medium coats work as a natural barrier against thorns and thickets. With a little trimming before or after the first hunt to remove any trouble spots and a light spray of a cheap non-stick cooking spray on their under parts (when I remember), their coats are easily maintained. The dogs even love licking the cooking spray off their coats and remove any and all thistles from their coats during the drive home from our hunting grounds. If all things are equal and I could choose the coat I want on the perfect bird dog, I would choose the same coat on our dogs every time. It protects them from both the weather conditions and types of cover with minimal maintenance effort. Not to mention how beautiful they are coursing back and fourth across a field in search of birds, beauty unequaled by any other breed of bird dog.
Q. Why do you have so many dogs and so many different colors and patterns, etc..
A. It is very important that every possible gene be saved to maintain a healthy breeding program. With the King's and the Lord's help, we were able to save all known remaining lines of Sir Llewellin's personal pure Dashing Bondhu bloodlines including the pure Humphrey bloodline. When you consider how rare a pure Llewellin's Setter is, never mind the pure Dashing Bondhu bloodline is today. Llewellin and Humphrey were known to have 600 dogs and the Kings maintained about 300 of them at one time. So we are very small with having less than 40 of them and are taking a big chance by only keeping so few. The bottom line is they can only be maintained in the pure form if we maintain a health number of diverse genes.
Since 99% of pure Dashing Bondhu bloodline reproduce are like clones as far as genetic health, temperament, abilities, and natural instincts the only real indication of diversity is in their color, patterns, and in the amount of ticking they each have. Also, because the white genome always has the propensity for producing deafness in animals, one should never attempt to produce whole litters of Belton (born without markings) pups, or worse whole litters of pups with little to no ticking. Also, it has been our experience when breeding generations of the dilute genome that causes the Chestnut (Liver) color in dogs, has the propensity for a weakening immune system, without regular infusions of non-dilute genes.
In laymen terms, if you don't want a diversity in genetic health, temperament, abilities, and natural instincts, you must keep the diversity in color, markings, and the amount of ticking to maintain a healthy strong breeding program in Llewellin Setters. This is why a pure White Setter or all Belton bloodline has never been developed. If you breed two Beltons of the same color together over and over again for generations, you are just asking for problems.
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